There are a couple of relatively minor issues that could do with being fixed before the proposed eligibility rules are finalised.

(a) Section 7.2 states that, without exception, any competitor shall be a national or a permanent resident of the country of the Member NCA that is entering them.  However, Section 7.3 says that competitors from other World Sailing MNAs where there is no Member NCA may be invited to enter.  This is an exception to 7.2.  The fix is to add to 7.2 the phrase, "Except as in 7.3, [etc]".

(b) Section 7.3 mentions a "DM", "If no DM is available [...]".  It is unclear what this sentence means, because there is no longer a "DM" in radio sailing.  It might be that the intention is to allow an IRSA DNM to sign the form, and it would be good to make provision additionally that, in the absence of an IRSA DNM, a WS MNA can sign the form.  These two provisions are needed for compliance with RRS 75(b) and (c) respectively.

(c)  Section 7.3 says that a guest’s entry form can be signed by Events SC Chair.  However, this would not satisfy RRS 75.  The provision for signature by the Events SC Chair needs to be removed.  It may be worth noting that RRS 75 requires either an IRSA DNM or a WS MNA to sign a guest entry form because it puts in place the necessary mechanisms for appeals or disciplinary actions for all parties.  A competitor, guest or otherwise, must be affiliated in some way to IOMICA, IRSA, or WS.  If no such affiliation can be shown, the entry is invalid.

On 24/10/2024 at 09:28, John Taylor said:

basic drawing of the 'Radio Sailing Structure', related to the UK

 

The "basic" structure is a touch more complex.  The MYA wears two hats.  When it acts as a class association, it affiliates to the class ICA, if any.  When it acts as the national authority for radio sailing, it affiliates both to IRSA as the DNM and to the RYA (the UK MNA) for sailing under the RRS.  Interestingly, an owner has three affiliations in principle (though they might not know that explicitly) -- to their club, to the MYA, and to the class association of the boat they sail.

 

Lester

Thank you for the education and it is noted. I’m sure there will be questions in the future.

Regards

JT

Relating to the Vang issue.

As far as I can tell nobody has mentioned Rule F.2.3

I quote.

F.2.3. states;  THE FUNCTION OF ITEMS SHALL BE LIMITED TO WHAT IS NORMALLY PROVIDED BY ITEMS OF THEIR TYPE.

i.e a Vang only controls the height of a boom.

The Sailboat RC Vang attaches to the boom significantly further aft (40 to 50mm) than required solely to hold the boom down.

Thus allowing the vertical plate element of the Vang to effect air flow under the boom and as such does not comply with F.2.3.

 

I don’t normally comment on posts, but whilst there is considerable debate as to the function/effect  of the viss’s vang arrangements eg the perceived extra ‘sail’ extra it provides. The rules as they stand allow far greater design changes that improve the ‘unmeasured’ sail area namely the design of decks to improve the end -plate effect on the main as seen in the Viss and I suspect Brad’s post punk design and others. These I’d suggest have far greater effect on a boats performance than the kickers in question.  The bulkhead forward of most masts acts as additional ‘area’ but the design feature is not banded?

At the end of the day the vang is there to provide mainsail leach tension and rules as they stand allow this. Not sure what the issue is?

 

Roger, you make the point exactly, F.2.3 should be adhered to, this is why the oversized Potter gooseneck with the plate was banned, it gained an advantage in area. This was back in 2015 and amazingly the very same technical personnel find this new oversize kicking strap, with its carbon plate as fine and no restrictions to size mentioned, so in a few years time we will all have 20mm kickers that extend from the gooseneck to the end of the boom and then to infinity and beyond if a restriction isn't added like in 2015.

GBR29, the deck on Brad's boat compared to the Vizz is a million miles apart, a bit like comparing the Himalayas to the Bonneville Salt flats, no raised foredeck, no raised aft deck, all very smooth and flat throughout, bit like what we used to sail 20+ yrs ago, nothing new, as for his kicking strap it's just a piece of string, well 3 actually, probably cost about 12pence compared to £££££'s if no restriction is added.

Edited November 9, 20241 yr by Graham Elliott
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