Have recently purchased a restored 10 Rtaer, originally built in 1948, sail number K1043, Kaytellen.

Would it be possible to register this boat and make it 'legal' ? if so, what do I need to do?

Is there a vintage arm associated with the class ?

Many thanks

Mike

It would seem that there is no interst in 'vintage' raters?

 

Give it a while. Us old folks don’t look at this stuff very often. 

There is a link to the 10r captain on the main web site you might like to try. 

There is interest, just not as much as the more "mainline" classes. I bought this one this year. Have made a start on mast etc . May not be considered strictly vintage, but hey. Will probably end up more as a club/fun sailer, initially with a set of Marblehead sails that I have acquired.

 

 

Edited September 9, 20241 yr by tiggy_cat

Mike

Please note the following comments are my understanding of the MYA rules and I may be wrong, but if so, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will correct me.

Unless you want to race the 10 Rater competitively I don't think there is much point in doing anything.  There is nothing to prohibit you sailing the yacht as it is with the current registration number.  I currently have a vintage 10 Rater and an A Class in the same situation

If you want to transfer the yacht to your name and you have the original certificate and the yacht still complies with it, I think you can complete a form to transfer ownership to you on the 10 Rater register.

If you don't have the previous certificate I believe the yacht will have to be remeasured and a new certificate issued.  However since it has previously been registered it can be checked in accordance with the rules in force at its original registration date, rather than the current ones.

You could join the Vintage Model Yacht Group and use that as a source of information but we have no authority to register vintage yachts.  We hold sailing meetings around the UK and I think the nearest ones to you would be at Birkenhead.  The VMYG contact there is Andrew Peters.  As far as I know there are no competitive events for Vintage 10 Raters at present.  Charles Smith is the VMYG historian and has digitised some of the old registers including the 10 Rater one.  He might be able to help you trace the history of your yacht if you contact him. 

Gareth Jones

 

 

On 10/09/2024 at 17:55, Gareth said:

If you don't have the previous certificate I believe the yacht will have to be remeasured and a new certificate issued.  However since it has previously been registered it can be checked in accordance with the rules in force at its original registration date, rather than the current ones.

 

I don't think the above is correct.  In a nutshell, only the current rules are valid and all boats must comply with them to be legal.  I think this is true for all International classes not just 10Rs.  The current rules may contain dispensations for boats registered before a certain date (as the 10R Rules sort of do) but you can't use an old set of rules.

In the case of the 10R there have been (too?) many changes that made some old boats illegal - despite the fact that they had valid measurement certificates.   Having said that, unless you start winning ranking events (or turn up with a wing mast that is not included in the measured sail area) then I doubt anyone will complain.  

The 10R Class (in the UK at least) needs all the support it can get at the moment.

Prior to 1994 the 10R measurement certificate was only valid for 3 years after which the boat had to be remeasured.  In 1994 the measurements also went metric.  So when certificates came up for renewal boats had to be measured to the new rules in metric. But certificates issued were issued to the owner and only remained valid whilst the boat belonged to that owner.  Change of ownership required re-registration to get a valid certificate.  If no changes made to the boat this is a continuity registration and does not require re measurement  just appropriate declarations to the effect that the new owner will maintain the boat in accordance with the certificate and class rules.  However if the boat has changed hands more than once so the current owner did not acquire it directly from the  previous registered owner then the boat will require fundamental measurement to current rules to be registered and get a certificate.

A complication here is that in the 1990's many owners did not have their boats remeasured and registered to get a new certificate when their 3 year certificate expired so the majority of boats with numbers earlier than 3000 do not have valid certificates.  Records were not electronic  in the 1990's  and registrars were not required to keep  a copy of the registration certificate only a record that it had been issued and who to.

I understand any information on pre '3000' boats was passed to the  'veterans group'.

If you are interested in "old Class rules they are all available on the International  TenRater website 

Edited November 14, 20241 yr by richard uttley