Jump to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

MYA Forum

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

When Overlap Finishes

Featured Replies

I’m looking for clarification for my own education. Unfortunately, I cannot find all the supporting images. Therefore, I will do my best to describe.

As per the picture, blue boat is overlapping yellow inside 4 boat lengths to the mark. They round the mark together, but yellow boat finishes by being to windward of blue boat, who is clear ahead of yellow at the start of the beat. (Understand the image is not accurate, but the boat positioning is relevant).

Whilst still inside the 4 boat length zone from the leeward mark, the blue boat tacks onto port. The tack is complete with blue boat underway, but a collision with yellow happens still inside the 4 boat zone to the leeward mark. 
 

Who is in the wrong and what rule supports this scenario.

Regards

JT

IMG_3450.thumb.jpeg.7adfae523ed6cf31a2d07cfc0ac7aa4d.jpeg

 

IMG_3451.jpeg.b956ee17000741bc8b2254ed0c1c14fe.jpeg

Edited by John Taylor

Perhaps this diagram better shows the incident.

Blue's mark room ended once she no longer needed it (about P4). Remember that mark room is about being given room to sail to the mark, not away from it.

As Graham says, Blue breaks R 13 by not staying clear while tacking or once the tack is complete, as ROW changes, breaks R15 once on stbd, if Yellow is unable to stay clear..

John

tacking at leeward mark.jpg

Edited by John Ball
added comment and rule change

  • Author

Graham and John

Thanks for your comments, this will serve as education to our members when club sailing.

Regards

JT

Hi John,

I would explain it this way.

The zone exists to show where mark room begins and to establish which boat gets mark room.

Mark room is about room to sail TO the mark (not away from it).

A boat with mark room gains special privileges - while she is sailing within what mark room allows, she is exonerated if she breaks various rules (see R 43),

Mark Room ends once it no longer applies.

Once mark room no longer applies, the mark and the zone no longer have significance, and the rules apply just the same as in open water.

John

  • Author

John

I always try and find the appropriate images to support the question. A picture saves many words but I did struggle this time. Anyway thanks for your expertise because this will serve as an education piece for our club members.

Regards

JT

  • 4 months later...

As of 1st January, the new rule book comes into force.

The definition of mark-room has been tweaked:

Mark -Room Room for a boat
(a) to sail to the mark when her proper course is to sail close to it,
(b) to round or pass the mark on the required side, and
(c) to leave it astern.

The paragraph on room to tack has been deleted.

A subtle point:  mark-room includes a),b) and c). However, they do not necessarily apply in chronological order. In some conditions, particularly  when sailing in current, a boat may have left the mark astern but is still rounding or passing it.

 

Create an account or sign in to comment

Account

Navigation

Search

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.