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  1. Graham You are quite right, it is amazing the calendar gets produced at all. By now you will have established the calender as currently put together is not going to change. At the risk of repeating myself there is a rigorous, well advertised process in place carried out by folk who talk to all of those concerned. Those folk have a clear focus on what needs to be achieved. I've offered you the opportunity that if you feel you have something to add to those working hard on behalf of all of the membership I'm sure you could arrange to take over from Rob and work with us. I look forward to hearing from you Bill Green MYA Racing Officer
  2. Graham I'm afraid late April is too late. The MYA calendar dates and format was put in place to bring order into the process and it was distributed to all concerned. Vinnie and Terry put an enormous amount of effort into pulling together the list of IOM Events and what you see us the finalisation if that. We are working with events that are into 2017 now, there are so many in the UK that we have to do that. Perhaps your ire should be directed elsewhere. Vinnie spent a lot of time talking to our Scittush friends and we were not able to bring it to the conclusion you are suggesting. There is not a clash and as I've said before folk have to make their own choices about what events to attend. All we can do is provide the best wherewithal to do it, it just has to be accepted that it won't suit everybody all of the time. I'm sure that if you take the opportunity to talk to Vinnie or Terry this weekend they will explain it to you in no uncertain terms. I will make you an offer, if you'd like to swap with Rob and join the calender production team both Terry and I would be delighted to have you on board and your constructive input will be most welcome. Give it some thought and talk to Terry, Rob and Vinnie and let us know. Bill Green MYA Racing Officer
  3. All Can I clarify a couple of discussion points as there could well be a couple of misconceptions out there. First there was requirement to look at the Ranking List scoring system in the light of the events held at a West Kirby and Falmouth. The MYA Technical Team where charged by Council to come up with recommendations which is what they have done. Following on from that came a discussion point which was around the subject of whether the Ranking List events could be changed. What is in place now with the active fleet of skippers is exactly that, it's a discussion to see if change is needed. If so, what are the options and how they can be structured. The MYA is not planning to make wholesale change to anything without the will of the fleets sailing them and that is what this process is about. I'd like to thank all who have contributed, I'd like the discussion to go on but we do have to come to a conclusion. I see that sometime before the MYA AGM that is in November. Bill Green MYA Racing Officer
  4. All The UK racing calendar production dates have run this year to a strict timetable to avoid the chaos of the previous years. The dates for the Euros was not know at the time that the Ranking Events dates and venues were agreed. Clubs have to make arrangements to hold Ranking Events and Two Islands is a club in question that has to negotiate the use of the lake. It did this before it committed to holding the event. Euro dates were then announced after we had agreed Ranking dates, clubs and venues and you have what you see. As far as two events in the Midlands is concerned, the Midland District are willing to hold events where others were reluctant to put themselves forward. We have the situation this year that only three of the Districts were prepared to handle a Ranking Event in 2016 and we are fortunate in having two Clubs in the Midland District who are prepared to do so. What we have here is a fait acompli, the calender production runs to dates that are advertised to all well in advance. The calender is provisional because it is not complete and will not be so until all the dates for relevant classes and clubs are received. The dates, venues that you see in that calendar are fixed. I'd like to make everyone aware that in terms of UK calendar dates the MYA are looking , planning and finalising dates for events for all classes at least 12 months sometimes 18-24 months in advance. Our International colleagues are not working to the time frame as ourselves. There are now so many events, across all the classes that MYA has to accept that we cannot please all the people, all the time. We all have to make choices as to what and were we sail. May add in a some thoughts for all to consider, at this moment in time we do not have the luxury of having six Districts who are willing to hold either National or Ranking events for a whole variety of reasons. We have three, so either the way and where Ranking events has to alter or all six Districts have to take their share of the load. One of the main reasons for opening this discussion to all is to look at Ranking Events as they currently are and look forward to 2017 when any major changes can come into place. We all would appreciate your positive input into that aspect as well. My own thoughts are that it is unsustainable for three Districts to be expected to shoulder the load for the foreseeable future. That brings me back to the start is that some form of change has to occur. That change, if required, must be set by those who sail the classes so participation in this discussion is important because you are helping to shape the way things will be into the future. All three Class Captains for the IOM, M, and 10r are the primary point of call so please address your comments to them. We have over twelve months to discuss this, sort out what is the preferred option and make the changes.That time will soon evaporate that is why the discussion has kicked off now. It would be good if we could have the shape of the changes agreed by the May 2016 Council meeting to allow the Regulations Team to make the changes to the relevant documents for implementation in 2017 season. Bill Green MYA Racing Officer
  5. Arjan Thanks for posting this film clip. It was good to see in action a number of folk who are no longer with us, it brings back a lot of good memories. Hope to see you again at Fleetwood. Bill
  6. Phil There is a very easy non technical answer to this, have a word with Peter Moore in the morning. He has built a bending rig and knows exactly what he is doing. Cheers Bill
  7. Bill Green


    Mike CW (Bill) Sykes was in all senses of the word a master craftsman. His yachts won medal after medal at the Model Engineers Exhibition. He was a member at Bournville and he designed and built boats to all of the rules. His Marbleheads in the 70's and 80's just swept everything before them as did his A's, most were free sailing. In his later years he turned to radio with designs in the A Class which is where your new acquisition comes from. Bills boats were all beautifully built and he made everything, including the sails, they were also extremely competitive. His final free sailing A design, the VC2, even after 20 or more years is at the forefront of the current vane fleet and is very much the benchmark against which designs are judged. When you are next at BV we can talk more about Bill Bill Green
  8. Just a note to clear up any confusion. The MD Ranking Race is being organised by Bournville MYPBC and is being held on the sailing waters of the Midland Sailing Club in a Edgbaston, Birmingham. The article in the current Marine Modelling indicates that the event is being held at Bournville's home water and this is not the case. Full information can be found on the Midland District web site. Bill Green MYA Racing Sec
  9. I have been giving some thought to the 2015 R6m National and discussing it with Mike Ewart the Class Captain. Racing radio 6m's came into being using Match Racing as the format and the 6mOA used that format in its formative years. I have recently been involved in helping to organise the Race of Champions, which uses a combination of match and fleet racing and it occurred to me that this would ideally suit R6metres. For those that know the full size world, 6 metres and their larger sisters 12 metres, have been competing using match racing as the main racing format. 12metres were the Americas Cup monohull class until superseded by the current multihulls and you can't get more serious about sailing in general and match racing in particular than that. As the model 6 metre is the only model class that has a full size equivalent the logic of using the same style of racing is obvious. They are ideally suited to the format. I have established that it is feasible for a National to be viable using the combined format of match and fleet racing. So before embarking on getting the necessary documents sorted I thought I would test the water with the 6m skippers to see what their thoughts are. To further this I have arranged with Bournville MYPBC to add an Open Race in the proposed mixed format to be held on the 26 October as a trial and all are welcome. This forum is the ideal place to have the discussion about the suggestion and I'd appreciate any constructive input from R6m skippers. Bill Green MYA Racing Officer
  10. Sounds good, let's have a chat at Bournville
  11. Mike I think I can provide some info. The design is old, it was aimed at the build it yourself chaps. It is hard chined and intended to be built out of thin multi layer ply. I have only ever seen one and to be fair it really didn't perform all that well. Adrian Brewer is Australian and there is not much of a history if 6's in Aus.If I remember correctly Chris Jackson commissioned Adrian to produce the design for use in Marine Modelling not long after we kicked off R6's. Hope that helps. Are you coming to the R6 Open at Bournville at the end of March?
  12. Whilst of course ministering to needs of the Six metre Class, which is where the additional arms will come in very handy. Not considering a breeding pair are you?
  13. Tony I have researched the 6metre Register and the sail number quoted is listed to another well known boat and not to a boat by Russell Ferriday. I have looked through the register and there is only one boat listed as being built by him. It is a red hulled Tern designed by John Lewis previously owned by Richard Uttley called Vermillion under sail no 887. If you have the certificate with the boat please post it to me and I will get changed over into your ownership. If the boat is not registered it will need measuring before formal certification can be issued. Gosport is a club in your area where this can be carried out. If I remember back Russell sold a number of Tern hulls but most went unmeasured and registered. Bill Green 6m Registrar
  14. Mike I think the best answer to that is No, certainly in the Midlands and I suspect elsewhere. The only event where match racing figures is in the Race of Champions.
  15. Mike and Alan Can you guys ring me please I need to chat something through with you. Thanks Bill
  16. Alan In part you are right availability is part of the issue. It's not the whole story, in my view sailing in this country and the world is dominated by IOM at this moment in time. I've said recently that the M in MYA stands for Model not Metre because all the other classes are similarly affected. There is not the diversity that there used to be, at Bournville we spread ourselves across a variety of classes because that is the way we have always been. There are not many clubs like us and we spread ourselves even thinner by being involved in free sailing as well. Enough of this waffle and lets cut to the chase, the class needs someone to act as class captain, I dare not take on any more or my senior management will be seriously on my case, why don't you take on the role and I'll back you up. We have done this in the past so let's role it out again. Deal or no Deal?
  17. Mike And there was me thinking you might just volunteer your services, being a founder member and all. If it's measuring you are after give me a ring and we can sort something out after the break
  18. All Mike Ewart, Bill Akers and myself were three guys who kicked off R6m sailing, we converted free sailing boats to radio and to make sailing worthwhile we took an unusual view which was to concentrate on match racing as the format. We had more skippers than boats so the boats were rotated around the skippers to provide the competition. It didn't meet everyone's approval but what it do was kick off the class. From that small beginning the class started and it created the first of the Class Associations which managed things on behalf of the MYA, it has only recently returned fully to the MYA. Most of this history has got lost in in recent times but it indicates the important part the class has played. It is the only class that has a basis in full size being based on what was an Olympic Class day boat. It is probably the most difficult class to measure, a thorough knowledge of the rules and access to the requisite equipment is a base requirement for the Measurer. So where is all this leading, it's very simple, the class must not be allowed to disappear due to indifference, I have already offered my services to act as Class Captain if no one else steps forward. I have a number of roles within the MYA so I'm loath the take on another but I will do so if it means this class failing. It needs someone to step forward and promote this class back into the fore where it belongs. Go on you know it makes sense
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