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  1. The new 2017 – 2020 edition of the World Sailing Case book is now available for download.

    http://www.sailing.org/documents/caseandcall/case-book.php

    There are a number of new cases in the this edition, starting with Case 132 . They all make interesting reading especially for anyone who may be part of a Protest Committee. Here I will touch on just three of them.

    Case 138 helps the Protest Committee determine when to apply Rule 2 or Rule 69.

    CASE 138

    Rule 2, Fair Sailing

    Rule 69, Misconduct

    Generally, an action by a competitor that directly affects

    the fairness of the competition or failing to take an

    appropriate penalty when the competitor is aware of

    breaking a rule, should be considered under rule 2. Any

    action, including a serious breach of rule 2 or any other

    rule, that the committee considers may be an act of

    misconduct should be considered under rule 69.

    Rule 69 is always a serious matter. For this edition of the RRS, there is a change in Rule 69 that now allows for a variety of punishments, and Case 139 provides assistance.

    CASE 139

    Rule 69.2(j), Misconduct: Action by a Protest Committee

    Examples illustrating when it would be ‘appropriate’ under

    rule 69.2(j)(3) to report a rule 69 incident to a national

    authority or World Sailing.

    Case 140 is very interesting as it covers the options when a boat is forced over early by another boat that is breaking a Rule of Part 2 – (eg a stbd tack boat goes over the line avoiding a Port tack boat) when Rule 30.3 U Flag, or R 30.4 Black Flag is in effect. It describes how the fouled boat may behave in order to obtain redress. This case makes a strong argument for the Race Committee to select the use of the U flag option over the Black Flag option. This one is a 'Must Read'.

    CASE 140

    Rule 30.3, Starting Penalties: U Flag Rule

    Rule 30.4, Starting Penalties: Black Flag Rule

    Rule 62.1, Redress

    Rule 64.1(b), Decisions: Penalties and Exoneration

    How the rules apply when a boat is compelled to cross the

    starting line by another boat that was breaking a rule of

    Part 2.

    John

  2. HI all,

    I have updated all my Racing Rules and Tactics articles to match the changes in the new 2017 -2020 Edition of the RRS.

    They have a new home too, on google sites. Here is the link

    https://sites.google.com/site/johnsrcsailingrulesandtactics/

    If you have read them before, then I suggest that you revisit Chapter 3 R18 and the Weather Mark . It was the most affected by the new RRS and has the most changes.

    I hope you find them useful. Please post any questions or comments on this forum so we can all participate in the discussions.

    John

  3. As I am currently looking for a lighter jib boom would it be possible to be more specific on the "Easton arrow shaft", there seem to be a lot of different ones available ?

    Regards,

    John

     

    Easton aluminum arrow shafts come with a code eg XX75. The two digits are the alloy - and for an IOM look for the 75. they make others that are not on the approved list.

    Then they have a four digit code eg 2514 the first two digits is the diameter in 64th of an inch. the larger diameters, like 24, 25 26 are stiffer than the lower numbers. The second two digits are the wall thickness in thou.

    I have used Camo XX75 2514 and XX75 2613

    The easton web site lists this but the larger diameters are missing. Biggest dia is now 2413

    https://eastonarchery.com/target/camo-hunter/

    John

  4. Wide in-close out is a function of having ROW and is not related to Mark Room. So should be no difference. So if you have Mark Room and the other boat has to keep clear under R 10, R 11 or R 12, you may still do the wide in-close out.

    So in your example of a port tack windward boat, they were never entitled to wide in - just enough room to round the mark in accordance with the definition of Mark Room and Room

    R21 only provides protection if you are sailing within the Mark Room or Room to which you are entitled - so if you get greedy and sail wide, affecting a ROW boat, you loose the protection of R 21

    John

  5. Here is the link

    http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/WorldSailingRRS20172020-%5B20946%5D.pdf

    Appendix E has several changes.

    Addition of Code Flag U ( a less severe version of Black Flag)

    Recognition of 'Disabled Competitors' and make equal arrangements.

    More detail in 'Outside help'

    Deletion of the words 'and as a result, retiring' from Redress.

    Change to E8 sail Numners. The old E8.b.2 to drop the leading zero in the range 00-09 has disappeared, so we are back to two digit sail numbers.

    John

    In the main part of the RRS, some changes are listed here (from Sailing Anarchy)

    Outside Appendix C (match racing), AFAICS, no major changes, particularly to part 2. it's mostly housekeeping.


    Definitions now include one for "support person".


    Rules:

    Penalty for breaking rule 2 can now be DSQ or DNE.

    3 (Acceptance of rules) completely re-written. Includes support people

    New rules 6 and 7 - betting/anti corruption & disciplinary code.


    Part 2 preamble: boats can now be DSQ for breaking 14 and causing injury or serious damage (as well as 24.1) when not racing.

    New 18.2.d Rules 18.2(b ) and (c ) cease to apply when the boat entitled to mark-room has been given that mark-room, or if she passes head to wind or leaves the zone. (Old 18.2.d and 18.2.e renumbered e and f respectively).

    18.3 Only applies at port hand marks.

    New 19.1.b Rule 19 applies between two boats at an obstruction except (b ) when rule 18 applies between the boats and the obstruction is another boat overlapped with each of them.

    20. Re-written. Now states when boats may hail, rather than when they shall not.

    21 now part of section D, no longer refers to section C.

    22.3 applies to boats moving sideways to windward by backing a sail.

    24.2 rewritten. Now "if reasonably possible".

    30.3 New "U flag" rule. Aka a black flag that doesn't carry over if the start is general recalled. Black flag is now 30.4.

    32.1. Can now shorten to allow time for subsequent races, and can only abandon for starting errors.

    32.2 Can now shorted at a line that boats have to cross.


    40 - Y ashore = PFDs when afloat at all times.

    44.2 Scoring penalty now 20% of DNF score (not entries, as before).


    49.1 now refers to when lifelines are required by class or any other rule.(not just SIs)

    55 Trash. Penalty now discretionary.

    60.4 New rule. Technical committees may protest.

    60.5 However, neither a boat nor a committee may protest for an alleged breach of rule 5, 6, 7 or 69.

    61.1.a.4 No flag required if the crew is in danger.

    53.4 New rule - conflict of interest.

    63.7 Broadened to conflict between rules, not just NoR & SIs.

    64.3 - housekeeping on class rule protests.

    64.4. New rule: Decisions concerning support people.


    69 Rewritten.


    78 Housekeeping.

    84, 85, 86 housekeeping.


    Appendix C

    Big changes: 17 deleted completely, 18 now the test rules.


    Appendix D

    17 has not been deleted, contrary to much rumour.

  6. I have been thinking about this question and have some thoughts.

    First, the IRSA needs the RG65 more than the RG65 needs the IRSA. The IRSA is responsible for the four International classes. However the A Class is too big and heavy for transportation around the world for International World Championship Regattas and has already been downgraded to Historical status. The 10R is also very large for transport. Both these two classes and the M are great for Europe and for Continental Championship regattas where you can drive to the event and transport the boat and rigs in your car. Australia and North America are huge and the driving distances are so great that they are unlikely to see a large support. The IOM is small enough and (with some difficulty and risk) rig boxes may be taken on a plane, but are usually FedEx’ed to and from a long distance regatta.

    The only really active International class over the last 15 years has been the IOM Class. It is great that the M is again hosting a World Championship.

    So the IRSA needs a new ‘portable’ class that may be easily transported by air.

    The RG65 Class has some problems. I could not find whether or not is has been ‘legally’ constituted as a Not-for-Profit organization in any jurisdiction. Nor could I find a Constitution and Bylaws to cover Executive Officers and Directors, or how to nominate such officers, or how to propose class rule changes or how to vote. If my suspicions are correct, then the RG65 is not yet a real ICA, just an idea. The English version of the Class rules have some wording problems – eg use of SHOULD when SHALL is more appropriate. SO there is room for improvement.

    If the RG65 ICA votes No to joining the IRSA at the present time, as seems likely from the feedback, then to me it would be unconscionable for the IRSA to go form its own 665 class, as has been suggested on this forum. However if the IRSA goes ahead with that action, then the MYA has a new problem as I understand that it has a rule that the International Classes must be supported – and that could mean that the UK RG65 class will be forced to convert to the IRSA new 665 Class.

    John

  7. Hi Ken,

    There are several 'One Meter' classes, each with its own set of rules. If your club allows open 'Race what you bring' sailing, then you should have no problem racing.

    If you are referring to the IOM class, then ask a few questions for the Seawind. (there are some more detailed questions, but these are the simplest tests).

    1. Is it no longer than one meter?

    2. is the front 10mm of the hull elastomeric material ?

    3. Does the keel and bulb weigh not more than 2500gms?

    4. Does the complete boat ready to sail weigh at least 4000 gms?

    5. Do the sails measure as IOM class sails?

    6. Single set of shrouds?

    The answer to 1 and 3 are Yes.

    But the answer to 2,4 and 5 and 6 is No.

    So, out of the box, a Seawind is not compliant with the IOM class rules. You would need to modify the bow for a bumper, and add about 1000gms to the hull and/or ballast, and replace the sails, and remove the lower set of shrouds.

    John

  8. Hi Dave,

    From your continued discussion, it appears that either you do not understand, or are unwilling to accept the Class Rule interpretation of March 2015.

    Here are two graphics - a standard fitting, and your diagram. On the standard fitting, the vang attaches directly to the pivot. In your diagram, the vang attaches to the plate and the plate attaches to the pivot.

    The ruling said that having the extra fitting (the plate) was non-compliant for two reasons - the added area AND the extra fitting which was not included in the rule.

    John

    723216857_Davidsplatevang.jpg.9f1ed41b7fa4e514c4080b0a874863ac.jpg

    1138991140_vangattachesdirectlytopivot.jpg.3e0a80fefa30bbd90099c87c7a7da647.jpg

  9. Dave,

    The rotating plate in your diagram is analogous to the rotating plates in the diagrams A and B in the Technical Ruling.

    The Technical ruling Q2 refers to the appropriate sections of the class rules. The main rule is F 3.3.a.4 which is singular.

    F.3.3 FITTINGS

    (a) MANDATORY

    (4) Kicking strap fitting.

    John

  10. When James posted his original design concept back in Nov 2014, I suggested that he had a problem.

    http://www.iomclass.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1839#p11443

    Basically he was attaching the vang to a fitting to the mast vang fitting - and that extra part was not covered in our 'closed' rule. So I suggested that he raise it a s a formal question though his NCA (the MYA). This was done and the Technical Committee said the same thing, but they also added the bit about extra function and the projected area.

    I do not like the added area part of the decision as the part is buried behind the raised fore deck and as has been mentioned above, a rectangular boom adds far more area.

    I understood the rule change exactly as it was written (per later clarifying diagrams).

    The 20mm dimension is arbitrary - it could have been (say) 35mm to include all current plate vangs.

    However there are two 'bottom line' items - first, it is up to a manufacturer to be sure a part is compliant, before putting it up for sale. Second, is that the IOM rule is closed, and every time someone does something 'non- compliant, we seem to do a rule change to make it compliant - so the class rules keep changing.

    John

  11. Garry, that is not quite correct - the new rule did not make those fittings non-compliant - the rule interpretation in the spring of 2015, did that - it said that all rotating plate style vangs were not compliant with the class rules.

    What the new rule change did was to make rotating plate fittings compliant, but provided a dimension (20mm) to limit their size. So the new rule provided a route to make those fittings compliant.

    John

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    Here is a revised diagram. However it does not change the discussion. Under R 19, Red gets to choose which side of Green to pass. At P1, Red must do something. By P2 it is too late. If Red chooses to tack, she has to hail for room to tack using R 20. But by not hailing for room to tack, she is making an implicit decision to pass astern of Green, and must give room to Yellow to also pass astern of Green. But from your description - she did nothing - she sailed straight on and collided with Green.

    Green, on stbd is not obliged to do anything, except under R 14 - try to avoid a collision - but Green will be exonerated under R 14 provided there is no damage.

    Red is still at fault (R10 and R 19.2.b), and Yellow broke no rule.

    John

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    I think this diagram represents your incident.

    Green is on Stbd and has ROW (R 10) over Yellow and Red.

    Yellow on port, is windward of and must keep clear of Red, also on port under R 11.

    As Red and Yellow approach an obstruction, under R 19, it is up to Red, as ROW over Yellow, to decide how to pass Green, the obstruction. If Red decides to tack, she will hail for room to tack under R 20, and Yellow must comply as outlined in R 20.

    However if Red does not hail for room to tack, her other option under R 19, is to pass astern of Green, and in so doing, must also leave room fro Yellow to pass astern of Green.

    This is discussed in ISAF Case 11 - When boats are overlapped at an obstruction, including an obstruction that is a right-of-way boat, the outside boat must give the inside boat room to pass between her and the obstruction.

    In the final summary of Case 11, it says -

    PW was not required to ‘tack into open water to windward to keep clear’ because PL did not hail under rule 20.1 for room to tack and avoid S.

    So Yellow did not do anything wrong, and Red is at fault under R10 for hitting Green, and R 19.2.b for failing to provide room for Yellow to pass astern of Green.

    John

  14. I have just added a new article to my Sailing Rules and Tactics series called Proper Course. This one talks about the difference between Right of Way (ROW), Mark Room, and Proper Course. and how they affect each other.

    The whole series may be found on the Canadian Radio Yachting Association (CRYA) web site

    http://crya.ca/information/rules-tactics/

    And the direct link to the Proper Course article

    http://crya.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Proper-Course-jgb4.pdf

    Hope you find it useful.

    John

  15. Take a look at Yellow in this diagram - she sails much as you described. Now imagine that black line is a piece of string. Pull down on boat number 8 and the string will pull tight, but it will only round the weather Mark, and not the offset - so the course sailed looks just like that sailed by Green.

    So you did not sail in accordance with R 28 and the protest was the correct action.

    John

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  16. I think it would be the distance from the edge of the mark and not from its centre point. Imagine using a large navigation bouy as a mark - if it was from the centre point, then you would have very little water left for mark room.

    The definition wording also suggests that mark room is from the nearest edge of the mark to the nearest part of the boat. (of course App E makes it four lengths)

    Zone The area around a mark within a distance of three hull lengths of the

    boat nearer to it. A boat is in the zone when any part of her hull is in the zone.

    John

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