Entries will be open shortly.

There is also a club race on the Sunday for RG, DF65 and 95 and I am sure Woodspring will welcome anyone that wishes to join the fun.

In my opinion, ABS is not as robust as Carbon or Glass Fibre and I find my DF 65 deck warping, the sailbox cracking etc. So I see the move as more towards a preferable material than a switch of regulations. But of course ABS is now easily printed bringing down design and manufacturing costs, thus opening up the market to more radio sailors.

Please tell me I've got this wrong and the RG 65 has a goiod future.

Stuart

Looking on the Internet I found a gadget made in Australia called a Rig Restrainer. Has anyone come across this and indeed, is there anywhere in the UK that can supply them?

Thanks in anticipation

Stuart

I'm just changing from an ABS DF65 to a CF RG65. A personal choice as I don't like ABS. But I'm concerned about the Faraday Cage effect of CF hulls. Do owners with CF hulls place the antenna above deck? If so where and do they protect the aerials. Radio flyers use neat slated protection posts for example.

Thanks in anticipation

Stuart

Electronica

Uno

Scurry

have also looked at IVY from Vamsails, but ruled out on time for delivery (9 months +) and cost.

I am wanting to use an Arm Winch within my RG. However, I am unsure how to achieve the appropriate distance of travel for the booms to fully move in/out. 
 

I have no experience on this type of setup, Assuming I have to use 2 pulleys to achieve the distance required? I would be grateful for any advice or diagrams showing how to create this set up.

Regards

JT

There is a website for the RG65 UK Class Association which contains lots of useful info on this exciting development class.

Check it out here - https://www.rg65.org.uk/

 and sort of price one would expect to pay.

Thanks in advance

Dear RG65 Skipper!

On June 24, 2018 our Class will be celebrating its 40th Aniversary!!!

It was the 24th of June, 1978, when Raul Landó, in Buenos Aires,Argentina, launched his "Lady Susan", free sailing, Braine steered

"G65" (without "R"!) at the Plaza Urquiza pond, but this time WITH R/C INSTALLED! This became the VERY FIRST RADIO "G65", that is, an "RG65". And Raul has Sail Number "1" since then.

Forty years of uninterrupted class activity is an achievement worthwhile celebrating, and we PROPOSE to have/organize as many RG65 Events as possible on the Anniversary Day.

RG65-ICA INVITES you to organize on June 24th, 2018, Sail-Offs, informal Short Races and any Sailing Event you can imagine, maybe associated with a "Beginners Day" or any other celebration.

Please take pictures, post them on Facebook. And more important: film your Event! A YouTube Channel will be available for your posting it!

Yes: we know it is on a "short notice", but for a Celebration of this kind it is never to short! Our goal is to have a Fun Time, and (maybe) sing Happy Birthday to you" and have a toast!!! And let the whole World know about it ...

Any questions? Need help? Mail your request to info@rg65

Let us make something that everyone can enjoy!

Fredo Vollmer

RG65-ICA

Unfortunately the next Traveller's series is scheduled for the week before, but let us know if you are going to plan anything and we can promote it here..

The proposed changes are, as indicated by the ICA, clarification of the old rules and are not intended to change the class in any way.

The NCA need to cast our vote on the ICA proposals by 10 June and so we ask you to review this DOCUMENT, a link to the voting form has been sent out to all registered owners

If you have any questions or want to discuss any of the proposed changes then please fee free to comment here comment or contact the committee directly through contact@rg65.org.uk

Sincerely

The RG65 UK NCA Committee

In the background the RG65 ICA worked with IRSA to find common ground and this culminated with a recently published Joint Statement, and latterly the publication by IRSA of a set of IRSA 65 Rules.

To make the position clear, the RG65 ICA have sought to clarify the situation with the following notice by Fredo Vollmer

RG65 is able to continue operating as it has for the last 40 years.

Early in 2016 IRSA wrote a set of ‘internationally acceptable’ rules for the RG65 class and submitted them to the RG65-ICA for comments. In April 2016 these rules were shared with the RG65 community. These rules were rejected after consultation with you, the RG65 community, in June 2016.

After that IRSA insisted on setting up a Workgroup with RG65-ICA to go over their rules and discuss them. Starting in March 2017 and for the next nine months a team of three representatives for IRSA, three representatives for RG65-ICA and about 20 observers from both sides were able to ask questions about any item in the rules.

The RG65 team worked hard to get IRSA to adopt the current RG65 rules without modification. After a lot of negotiation it became apparent that this would not be possible and so the ICA team sought to protect the RG65 class in its current state. The Workshop has never the less been a very rich experience that exposed the complexities of rule writing. It also showed how passionate we are about our class.

IRSA continued to, and still do, want to establish a set of rules which would be suitable for competition at World Championship level under World Sailing/IRSA and the ICA team worked with IRSA to adjust their proposed rules so that they reflect much of what the RG65 class stands for. This was achieved in some cases but not in others.

The result of all this, culminating in the recently released Joint Statement, is that the RG65 class will continue to operate as it always has done. But in addition IRSA will soon release this set of rules that will allow competition at a World, Continental and International Championship level. As things stand, the vast majority of boats that currently comply with the RG65 rules (published in 2014) will also be able to comply with the new IRSA rules .

But again, let’s be clear, the only people that would need to ensure that they comply with these IRSA rules are the people that want to take part in the World, Continental and International Championships run by IRSA.

Through this process we have ensured that the RG65 class is able to continue operating as it has for the last 40 years.

The RG65 UK Committee believe that this situation, while not ideal, is the best outcome that could have been achieved. We will continue to work closely with the ICA to ensure that the RG65 class in the UK can continue to grow and be enjoyed by us all. At the same time there may be a number of you that look forward to the first International event run under the IRSA rules.

The UK NCA won't make any comment until it has received feedback from the International Class Association and has seen a copy of the new 65 class rules. However, feel free to discuss in this topic.

Future Directions for the 65 Class: A Joint Statement

November, 2017

65 Class Rules Working Party Forum

This Forum was set up in March 2017 within the IRSA site to bring IRSA, the worldwide radio sailing organization as an affiliated member of World Sailing, together with delegates from the RG65 ICA, an Independent Class Organization, not affiliated to any International Association, and a substantial Observer Group from both organizations.

The prime purpose of the forum was to focus on a set of proposed rules developed by IRSA that would be acceptable for international and continental championships under WS and IRSA guidelines.

Over the ensuing months many items were discussed and many changes agreed on resulting in a newly named set of rules for the international community: 65 Class Rules. This name variation is intended to separate those rules in custody with the RG65 ICA from those now to be published that are in the international standard IRSA format.

The IRSA delegates would like to thank the RG65 ICA delegates and the contributing members of the Observer Group for their valuable input into helping make these 65 Class Rules more acceptable and viable for international competition.

IRSA hopes that the rule discussions have established more confidence in the way we act as an international organization and we also hope that the RG65 ICA and IRSA can work more closely to further advance this class with its growing popularity.

Similarly the RG65 ICA delegates would like to thank the IRSA for the work done in developing the proposed rules and bringing this forum together as part of their ongoing support of International RC Yachting.

In the near future IRSA will publish the updated 65 Class Rules including the agreed changes. This means that international events using these 65 Class Rules can then be run with the confidence that they are under the authority of World Sailing and the IRSA.

RG65 ICA Delegates

IRSA Delegates

The RG65 class has continued during 2017 to establish itself as a highly competitive, high performance class with low entry barriers.

Some of this success has come through people moving up from the DF65 Restricted One Design boats, but at the same time seen people joining the class from the bigger boats. The relatively low cost and simple rule book make it ideal for everyone, whether they build or buy a boat.

Registered RG65’s have grown from 124 in November 2016 to 175, a 41% increase which is pleasing and gives us a good platform to build on.

This growth has been helped by a number of great new designs arriving on the water including the Sith from Mark Dicks, the Scurry by Richard Wills and a number of designs from the continent including the Manta 2017 which is winning many of the European Events.

The UK Traveller Series was as competitive as previous years with John Tushingham winning the title from the other 54 participants.

A testing National Championships was held at Birkenhead with local skipper, Graham Elliot, managing the weed better than the rest to win the title.

The UK Class Association Committee continue to work closely with and support the International Class Association as it seeks to unify the class on a Worldwide basis and we see great opportunity for a step change in the class during 2018.

Looking forward to next years race calendar, the first event is at Eastbourne on the 10th March.

Traveller 1 - Eastbourne, Saturday,10th March 2018

Traveller 2 - Lincoln, Saturday, 21st April 2018

UK National Championship - Two Islands (MK), Saturday & Sunday, 12th May & 13th May 2018

Traveller 3 - Keighley (Weecher), Saturday, 16th June 2018

Traveller 4 - Keighley (Weecher), Sunday, 17th June 2018

Traveller 5 - Gosport, Saturday, 21st July 2018

Traveller 6 - Watermead, Saturday, 18th August 2018

Traveller 7 - Birkenhead, Saturday, 22nd September 2018

Traveller 8 - Datchet Water, Saturday, 13th October 2018

Wind was from the S.W. varying between 6-8mph and 12-14mph which made the choice of rig very challenging for all skippers. Sixteen races throughout the day saw many changes of rig and changes of fortunes for those who got it more right than wrong. Alex Cory quickly established himself at the top of the table with Tobi Laux always close behind. John Tushingham decided to sail his DF65 which performed very well but could just not get up front even in the hands of one of our top skippers. Alex took the top position with Tobi second and Roy Stevens third, for full results see here

As this was the last race of the season The RG65 UK Class Champion was calculated using results from all events with over 50 different skippers sailing throughout the year, this year’s Champion is John Tushingham. John is a worthy winner, and was applauded by all, Phil Holliday (last year’s winner) presented the trophy to John at the lakeside presentation. Alex's win on the day took him in to 2nd place overall with Tobi having to settle for third, full results here.

With lots of new boats and more and more “converts” as well as new skippers, the RG65 class is firmly established in UK an growing fast.

Looking forward to 2018 and beyond.

Thanks to all from your race secretary, Noel Donaldson (GBR 29)

Full results here.

Some great photos on Mick Chamberlain's Flickr feed - here.

Next up on the calendar is the RG65 UK National Championships 24th & 25th June at Birkenhead. It's not to early to get you entries in now, the NOR and details of how to enter are available at www.rg65.org.uk

After 4 events and going in to the Nationals in June, the current standings in the competition for the 2017 Class Champion are:

1 John Tushingham 261

2 Mark D 242

3 Phil Holliday 228

4 Wayne Stobbs 189

5 Mike Parkington 152

6 Liz Tushingham 124

7 Noel Donaldson 124

We have had 28 sailors across the 4 events but John Tushingham's consistent results have given him a lead over Mark D and Phil Holliday . Missing the Keighley events has dropped Noel Donaldson back a few spots but with discards starting to count after the Nationals, expect to see this improve.

Full results are here.

To watch it click

Eastbourne are hosting the first round of the 2017 Travellers series on the 4th March and the 2017 Nationals will be at Birkenhead on the 24/25th June.

After travelling back from the Marblehead Worlds to make last round of the 2016 Travellers series at Bournville in October, Phil Holiday from Datchet Water MYC was crowned 2016 Class Champion.

Over the 8 scoring events of the series 69 skippers took part, ranging from national champions to 1st time competitors. In the end though it was consistency that paid off, with two of the top three places taking two discards out of a possible three. It was looking like a straight fight between Phil Holiday and Noel Donaldson but Mark Dicks showed good form at Bournville to end up splitting the two. The winner of the 2016 Nationals, John Tushingham, despite scoring well in the events he entered, didn't score enough to get better than 5th overall.

The top ten is below with the full table attached

Position Name Sail No Club Overall Points

1 Phil Holiday 66 Datchet Water 429

2 Mark Dicks 6 Clapham 416

3 Noel Donaldson 29 Watermead 397

4 Nigel Brown 55 Gosport 390

5 John Tushingham 51 Keighley 370

6 Wayne Stobbs 58 Portsmouth 266

7 Ken Binks 83 Eastbourne 254

8 Garry Box 103 Manor Park 234

9 Mike Parkington 697 Fleetwood 209

10 Roy Stevens 54 Tri-Services 197

A big thank you to all involved, both sailing and behind the scenes, in 2016 and here's looking forward to a strong series in 2017, including the 2017 National Championships in Birkenhead.

The dates for the 2017 season and links to the reports from 2016 can be found on the Calender tab of the class website http://www.rg65.org.uk

2016TravellersSeriesRound8.pdf

As the last event of the season, lets make an effort for a good turnout, it will be good to see some familiar faces from previous events as well as as well as some new ones from the Midlands Region. Bournville can provide some challenging sailing and expect close racing at all levels of the field.

The NOR is attached, all entries to Noel Donaldson at race@rg65.org.uk or on the MYA online entry (when available)

This race is also the decider for the 2016 Class Champion Trophy. After Round 7 at Datchet, Phil Holiday is in the lead having leapfrogged Noel Donaldson and Mark Dicks who were both absent. Nigel Brown also moved ahead of John Tushingham into 4 place. With Phil away on other sailing commitments in October it looks like it will be Noel and Mark fighting it out for the trophy at Bournville

RG65_Open_Bournville_08_10_16.pdf

For more information about Two Islands MYC, their website is here.

Venue - Two Islands RYC, Lynmouth Cres, Furzton, MK4 1JP.

Date - 13th August 2016

Times - Briefing 9:45 am, Start 10.00 am, End no race to start after 3:30pm

Entry Fee - £4.00

Prizes - Overall Winner to third (depending on entry numbers), 1st placed DF65.

RO: - Peter Shepherd, email peter.shepherd62@gmail.com

Alt contact - Stephen Tomlinson, stephen@tomlinsonfamily.org.uk

Entry via MYA-UK online entry system - closing date Friday 12th August

Fresh from the nationals this is the last event before discards start to count for the 2016 RG65 UK Class Champion trophy. Can anybody match the consistency of Phil Holiday and Noel Donaldson who are currently at the top of the rankings?

Briefing at 10:15, first race to start at 10:30. No race to start after 16:15 and any race in progress after 16:45 to be abandoned.

Entries by MYA site or email to RO Graham Elliot - elliottyachts@hotmail.co.uk. Can we have all entries by Thurs 21st July please to allow the race team time to prepare. Entry fee £4 on the day.

For directions and details of the club please see http://birkenheadrspc.co.uk/

IRSA's effort to impose their conceptions on the RG65-Class go ahead.

In this regard I want to recall that:

1. We are just reacting to facts that will affect our activities as an

established International Class.

2. RG65-ICA ***never*** approached NOR requested IRSA to go into this

matter nor asked them for any opinion about the goals and procedures

of RG65-ICA.

3. IRSA took that initive without any consultation or information to

RG65-ICA.

4. We (RG65-ICA) knew about this going on due to rumors collected by a

few RG65 Sailors. You can read the related complete mail exchange at

"RG65+IRSA":

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l15mzq4vf08fomh/AACqs0Ea2X5PI7FSt0N2LmA4a?dl=0

5. Investigating I found Patricio Montero "having some ideas about was

going on", and compromised him to get Gerhard Mentges introducing

himself to me.

6. From Gerd Mentges we got a copy of the draft being worked at IRSA,

with comments from GM, and afterwards re-commented by myself. This

Draft was attached to mail sent to you on April 17, 2016.

7. Now they produce sort of reply, this time with comments by Graham

Bantock, and an additional comment by him on May 25, 2016, stating

literally:

"IRSA would not want to use the RG65 name and logo if the class

objected - some alternative name e.g. International 665 Class would

be used instead. On the other hand, if the RG65 class is happy then

the IRSA class could be the International RG65 Class"

I remark that "if the class objected - some alternative name e.g.

International 665 Class would be used instead".

This implies that if we do not agree to their intentions they just

would go ahead without consideration to our feelings.

And I also remind some of the situations lived in the past:

On Februay 07, 2016, GM got the following words mailed by me:

"We had more then one sour afair with ISAF.

E.g.: in the 90's we intended to affiliate the Class to ISAF, but

it worked out that the yearly dues resulted practically unpayable.

Our boats where considered as "Yachts", and they claimed us to pay

accordingly ...

And not long ago, while we where organizing our first World

Championship, we got a menacing (SIC) letter from an ISAF lawyer

stating that "World Championships can ONLY be organized by and

through ISAF".

Situation like theese produce unfavourable feelings ...

8. All this still without having received an answer to two very basic

questions to GM asked on Sun, 7 Feb 2016 (original in german):

"Fact is: which are the benefits of such a recognition?

What are the restrictions?

How much must be payed for it?

You know: At the end everything goes through the checkout ...

"

9. This being the present status in this matter, it URGES to define

if we would like to be REGULATED by ISAF/IRSA or if we rather prefer

to stay independent as until now, following our own uses, procedures

and Rules.

Our Rules you all know, the Rules proposed by IRSA were sent time ago

to you.

YOUR VOTE (and optional opinion) IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.

*********************************************************************

Vote Options:

[1] Accept WS/IRSA tutelage by becoming an IRSA International Class.

IRSA has not explained or proposed to us what powers they would

exercise. It is possible that they will assert full power to define our

Rules and procedures, and that only IRSA affiliates will be able to

participate in non local events.

[2] Reject IRSA's pretention and stay to our own Rules (with due

updating when due), continue with our own Activities Schedule, and

act according to our established uses and procedures.

*********************************************************************

Please have a discussion with your Skippers, take decission, and

VOTE!

DEADLINE: June 26, 2016 <------------- DEADLINE!

Your vote will NOT be disclosed, but hopefully will enable to take a

consensual decission. You will get a communication BEFORE we formally

approach IRSA.

Vote to be mailed to:

Fredo Vollmer

RG65-ICA

RG65-Spain

mailto:fredo.vollmer@gmail.com

Móvil y SMS: +34 660 28 7194

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ALL ORIGINAL MAILINGS of this thread can be downloaded from:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l15mzq4vf08fomh/AACqs0Ea2X5PI7FSt0N2LmA4a?dl=0

As the UK RG65 NCA we need to ask all our members to read the message from Fredo Volmer (the Spanish RG65 NCA representative) about the dialog between the RG65 ICA and the IRSA (A draft of the proposed IRSA rules can be found in 160304.4 Mentges DE+IRSA to Fredo ICA.docx in the dropbox folder he links to) His message can be found Here

Lester Gilbert has posted a response from the IRSA perspective on the MYA forum which goes a long way to explaining what the IRSA can do for the RG65 class without actually asking if the RG65 class wants to be part of the IRSA. His and other comments can be found Here

The ICA has been asked for a vote on two options

[1] - Accept WS/IRSA tutelage by becoming an IRSA International Class. IRSA has not explained or proposed to us what powers they would exercise. It is possible that they will assert full power to define our Rules and procedures, and that only IRSA affiliates will be able to participate in non local events.

[2] - Reject IRSA's pretention and stay to our own Rules (with due updating when due), continue with our own Activities Schedule, and act according to our established uses and procedures.

We need your votes so we can make the UK position on this matter know to the RG65 ICA and the IRSA

If you are purely a DF65 sailor, you might think that these changes wouldn't affect you, but if you wanted to sail in an RG65 regatta in the future it could affect the eligibility of you and your boat to race. It is important that everybody make their opinion known.

These votes are needed by 25th June at the latest so our response can be sent to the RG65 ICA.

Link to voting form here. IRSA Ballot.

Please take the time to read all the information and vote as this could affect the way the class is run in future.

After the successful 2015 Nationals, there should be another good turnout for the 2016 MYA RG65 National Championships at Eastbourne over the weekend of the 4th & 5th of June 2016. The popular venue should boost numbers further for the class. The score from this event will also count towards the 2016 Travellers Series and the RG65 UK Class Champion trophy.